Really?

"Maxima Speed" (maximaspeed) 04/30/2018 at 16:22 • Filed to: Rant

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This irks me to no end. We have a hard nose money grabbers instead of a real state police force, that could actually be helping solve some real issues, like the drug epidemic. instead our money is funding a department which primarily takes money from us. Oh, and does paper work for car accidents.

ttyymmnn > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 16:32

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Did the person break the law?

Maxima Speed > ttyymmnn 04/30/2018 at 16:35

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I’m sure they did. Just give me this rant please !?

Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 16:36

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as far as i am concerned that person has been speeding or blowing stops, putting others in danger and carrying weapons or drugs.

This traffic stop is the gateway for an officer to discover and stop that.

Don’t like being pulled over? Don’t be an idiot.

Maxima Speed > Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No 04/30/2018 at 16:38

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See, I have a problem not being an idiot 

ttyymmnn > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 16:43

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Okay. You have the floor.

ttyymmnn > Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No 04/30/2018 at 16:59

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A couple of years ago, I commented on a thread on the FP where people were ranting about getting stopped for speeding or, as they euphemistically call it, “spirited driving.” I suggested that they just go the speed limit. You can imagine how that went over.

But then again, I’m old, so there’s that.

That green thing you’re standing on? It’s my lawn. Get off.

Svend > Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No 04/30/2018 at 17:02

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So true.

Svend > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 17:03

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“Have these people got nothing better to do than generate money, how about solving real crimes. I keep getting pulled over for speeding, yes I was speeding, but still how about they arrest people committing real crimes!?”.

Don’t want a speeding ticket, don’t speed.

Don’t want a parking ticket, don’t park where you shouldn’t.

Don’t want a ticket for blowing a red light, don’t blow a red light.

Don’t want a fine, ticket, points on your licence, car impounded, arrested, imprisoned, etc... don’t do the thing that will cause you to get one.

Nobody made you do it, you know the law is there, yet you still did it. It’s all on you for your actions, nobody else YOU!!!!! 

Maxima Speed > Svend 04/30/2018 at 17:06

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Yes but when the law is abritrary and stupid, it’s a lot harder to follow.

Will Clark's Falsetto > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 17:08

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How will the police solve the drug epidemic? We (yes I said we) haven’t made a dent in it. I’m in California and worked Major narcotics for several years. We took tons (literally) of drugs off the street and millions of dollars. Did it slow anything down? Not a bit.

Will Clark's Falsetto > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 17:09

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Also, in most communities, guess what generates the highest number of complaints to the police? Traffic issues. You wouldn’t believe how irate people get when someone speeds on their street.

Maxima Speed > Will Clark's Falsetto 04/30/2018 at 17:14

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Well, thats a good point. I kinda forget about that side of it.

Svend > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 17:32

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It’s a lot more stupid to know the laws are there, do it anyway and then whine because you got caught.

The law is there for a reason, the fines and penalties a punishment and deter-ant.

Don’t like them, lobby your senator, governor, mayor, member of parliament, councillor, etc... and get it changed but we don’t get to pick and choose which ones we want to obey and then ridicule others for not doing the same.  

Nine years as an ambulance officer from volunteer, to starting my own private ambulance business, picking people up for doing stupid things because, ‘it didn’t look that dangerous’, ‘didn’t seem like anything could go wrong’, ‘didn’t see the harm in it’, etc...

You may not like the laws and think they may not apply to you but sometimes you need laws and rules because there is always someone stupid enough to think, no defined rules mean they can do what they want at the expense of others

Spanfeller is a twat > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 17:37

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Hey, at least it goes back to the community

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 17:46

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It took virtually a generation to repeal the idiotic 55 mph rule. This lobbying you speak of isn’t as easy as it sounds.

Those supporting and enforcing arbitrary and/or outdated regulations (many local speed limits are the same as when my grandfather was younger than me) need to be able to prove that the regulations are optimal, that the most important regulations are the ones being enforced, and that the use of time enforcing them is the best use of publicly funded resources (along with proving that enforcement is consistent - that one won’t escape punishment due to relationship or social rank). Of course, the idea of accountable enforcement and rule creation is hilarious at best - no incentive when you can’t get fired, and look forward to endless perks in perpetuity.

Wacko > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 18:14

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To serve tickets and protect their pensions.

Svend > fintail 04/30/2018 at 18:18

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Your system and indeed any system leads a lot to be desired but just disregarding laws you choose not to like is not the best or safest way for you or anyone else.

I don’t have a problem with someone breaking the law or rules as long as they are the sole recipient to the outcome and never put the life of anyone else at risk that isn’t fully aware of the risk.

Amoore100 > Will Clark's Falsetto 04/30/2018 at 18:25

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If anything, this is something that more prominently affects the lives of those besides the individual and so deserves more enforcement.

TahoeSTi > Will Clark's Falsetto 04/30/2018 at 18:45

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Legalize it all, and end the cartels. What people do with their own bodies isn’t my problem. What the cartels do to get the drugs here is our problem. So lets end their business. The users aren’t the problems.

TahoeSTi > Svend 04/30/2018 at 18:47

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Speed limits are set artificially slow.

I’m saving the environment by rolling stop signs when no one else is around so why should it be illegal?

Crimes with no victims are not crimes.

LongbowMkII > Will Clark's Falsetto 04/30/2018 at 19:03

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Often it was the cops who are the worst offenders on my old street.

marshknute > ttyymmnn 04/30/2018 at 19:03

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When the speed limit is objectively unsafe, it’s hard to make a morally-sound argument in support of it. A safe limit is one that is set at the 85th percentile.

Svend > TahoeSTi 04/30/2018 at 19:06

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As I say, take it up with your representative but until it’s changed, the law is the law.

Because you don’t get to pick and choose which rules and laws to obey.

Crimes with no victims are not crimes.

Until, there is a victim.

One day there will be a stop sign, you’ll forget to check, you’ll miss them out of haste, you’ll miss them because you glanced too briefly, you’ll miss them because you did see them but got away with it so often your mind cancels it out and thinks there wasn’t anyone there, etc... what you won’t miss it hitting them.

How many collisions have happened because they felt the same way you do!?

((oh and a crime with no victim, is still a crime))

Is robbery a crime if the victim doesn’t know they’ve been robbed, are they even a victim until they become aware.

TahoeSTi > Svend 04/30/2018 at 19:09

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What if’s shouldn’t be baked into law. What happens should and the intent of the person who caused should also be.

We can’t protect people from themselves...and have freedom at the same time.

A robbery is a crime with a victim even if they don’t know. The definition of a robbery requires there to be a victim. With out a victim it’s found or discovered.

Speeding on a desert highway with no one around going say 5mph over the limit....how is that a crime....smoking weed at your house how is that a federal crime?

Svend > TahoeSTi 04/30/2018 at 19:18

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So we should only punish people when someone is hurt or killed?

Laws are there to protect people and protect people from themselves because sometimes people are just plain stupid or ignorant.

The definition of a robbery isn’t that it requires a victim, it is the act of robbing a person or place whether the individual know’s they have been robbed or not.

Smoking weed in your house is an offence because the actions leading up to it are, ie cultivating the product, purchasing the product, possession of the product.

This could and almost certainly will go around and around all night, so I’ll wish you a pleasant evening and to take care.

TahoeSTi > Svend 04/30/2018 at 19:23

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Victims don’t need to be physically hurt, you can injured people in many ways. Robbery is “the action of robbing a person or place.” they dont need to know about it they just need to be a person or a place, they have received and injury from the robber, loss of good, money etc.

What you are saying is that i can steal stuff from your addict that you never use and it’s not a crime because you don’t know.

With weed how does any of that hurt someone else? If you grow it yourself smoke it your self by yourself with out leaving your house high who is injured?

ttyymmnn > marshknute 04/30/2018 at 19:39

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The 85th percentile of what?

BigBlock440 > Amoore100 04/30/2018 at 20:02

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people aren’t robbing people to support their speeding habit, not do they eat people’s faces while under the influence of speeding.

marshknute > ttyymmnn 04/30/2018 at 20:21

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RangerSmith > Maxima Speed 04/30/2018 at 21:19

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I speed by a simple set of rules.

1. Don’t be in a hurry. If you give yourself an extra couple of minutes, you will never be late and have less stress.

2. Don’t speed in city/town/urban suburban town. You are not willing to spend time in jail, in order to make up a minute or two going 10 miles in 35mph zones.

3. Speeding okay on longer freeway stints

4. Don’t attract attention/ Blend in with traffic. Think gray saloons/sedans. Don’t weave in and out of cars. use your blinkers.

5. Valentine One. Tells you what direction the signal is coming from as well as the number of signals.

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 21:20

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Yep, it’s a shitshow here, but it is a shitshow everywhere, just in different ways. Disregarding laws that people don’t like is how Murka was formed. Relevant to this discussion, in my opinion, the authorities should be forced to have the onus to prove their rules and enforcement strategies are ideal, and if not, be forced to change them as soon as possible. Many speed limits here are simply tools for revenue generation - entire municipalities have depended on it. There’s no excuse. I’ll continue to drive ~10 over in non-school zones everywhere, and just keep an eye out for traps. Funny thing, law enforcement isn’t stupid, and here they will give a good 10% or 10 mph leeway, tacitly admitting the limits are too low. Overzealous enforcement breeds disrespect for law enforcement.

Laws aren’t just simply because they are laws. That might be a cultura difference. Enforcement is also an issue - when pedestrian right of way, lane discipline, distracted driving, signal use, douchebaggery by the top few (we have our own variety of the blood money shithead devilspawn who flit around Londonistan in supercars) are all ignored in preference of arbitrary or outdated limits, there’s a problem.

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 21:23

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Smoking weed is a crime because tobacco companies have bribed your deplorable lawmakers and conned your dumb puritans, as they have done similar in most Murkan states and in DC. Progressive first world areas are discarding those specific laws.

Svend > fintail 04/30/2018 at 21:32

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It’s illegal for good reasons, it’s merely the tabacco industry also making sure that it doesn’t become legal to compete against them.

Svend > fintail 04/30/2018 at 21:39

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Police in London clamp down on it as much as they can as they need to be present but have many other duties to keep them occupied.

Many police forces now accept dash cam footage with some using it to prosecute and some using it as a tool to worn drivers of their actions.

In a lot of it cameras do the work if there isn’t a police presence in the area at that moment.

The 10% is to account for that most worst do the exact speed limit as it would require more concentration to keep the exact speed and to allow for discrepancies in the speedometer. Police speedometers are calibrated for accuracy, those of the general public aren’t.

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 21:46

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Good reasons according to who? I live in a place where it has been legal for awhile, society isn’t crumbling. And I am saying this as someone who’s never even smoked a cigarette.

Prohibition has a very poor track record in virtually every instance.

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 21:51

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The police do what they can = they do nothing, as the criminals are rich. Just like here. I have little doubt traffic law enforcement has a socio-economic aspect almost everywhere.

Many citations, on this side of the pond anyway, have been thrown out due to radar not being calibrated with proof. I find it hard to believe a typical modern car on stock wheels will have more than a 1-2% variance. But I can go ~10 over on the highway and have little fear. Cops aren’t dumb - crack down too hard, and problems will flare up. Almost like a tacit admission the limit might be too low.

Laws aren’t just simply because an untouchable official (often with fat benefits and an unearned pension that would make a working person choke, maybe partially funded by fines) makes something a law.

Svend > fintail 04/30/2018 at 21:53

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It has been linked for many years to mental health issues.

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 21:54

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Tenuous at best. Booze can easily be described the same way, and likely stronger.

Prohibitionists are on the wrong side of history.

Svend > fintail 04/30/2018 at 22:19

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No. Our police do what they can do, they issue the appropriate fines and if there is no insurance, the driver doesn’t have an appropriate licence or legible licence plate the vehicle is impounded. Here you don’t get any benefits for being wealthy, the legal system however and being able to afford a great lawyer who knows all the loop holes is a different issue whether you’ll unemployed driving an old Vauxhall Astra or a Qatari prince driving a Lamborghini.

Wealthy footballer fined £1,430 and banned for 20 months.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-43730532

Footballer banned for 12 months and £3,000 fine.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/footballer-banned-driving-after-racking-12074288

TV celebrity banned for 20 months and fines £86,000.

https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/947017/ant-mcpartlin-drink-driving-ant-and-dec-ban-huge-fine-court-case

Radar detectors are all calibrated correctly before being issued and are checked every six months.

10% is usually acceptable because doing exactly 60mph on a road would require a higher degree of attention on keeping it at or under 60mph, detracting some of the attention from what’s happening on the road.

Our fixe cameras are painted yellow or have a degree of yellow markings on them and having a warning sign that a camera is present in the area as you enter it.

Not all cameras are actually working, something like only a quarter are active.

British police cars are so visible with retro-reflective blue and fluorescent yellow battenburg livery, that if you get caught speeding by one, it’s your own ruddy fault.

Please don’t assume our system is the same as yours, ours isn’t perfect but some of the stuff you mention experiencing is not that of mine in ours.

Here the only rear flaw is the CPS (criminal prosecution service) who decide whether it’s in the public interest to prosecute and how likely they are to get a conviction from it.

Our boys and girls in blue do a tough job with very little thanks from many in the general public but are still the first people call in times of need.

Amoore100 > BigBlock440 04/30/2018 at 22:39

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Excellent. Remind me again how arresting these people and jailing them solves these problems? How about treatment and rehabilitation, two things that are not really the job of the police?

fintail > Svend 04/30/2018 at 22:57

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That’s a nice outlook, but I don’t know. If douchey behavior wasn’t more tolerated via wealth, the blood money shitheads wouldn’t be tooling around London at all. It appears footballers get slaps on the wrist, too, and the one with a higher celeb profile gets the higher profile fine. The variance in fines is remarkable, as I haven’t heard that the old island has progressive penalties.

Cool that your cameras have signs anyway, as they should. There have been policies here that radar guns need to be calibrated before each shift.

What leeway is given by the Orwellian surveillance grid there, or by human enforcement? Here, on a 60 mph road in dry conditions, citiations for less than 10% (and usually less than 10 mph) over are virtually unknown. But, still illegal, so some will clutch those pearls in deference of laws created by people who can’t defend them. Laws created and defended by CPS types, who can screw up again and again and never really worry, as they know the public really can’t do anything.

The police are probably more hated here than there, sometimes for good reason, but most of them are the good guys, and deal with a lot of nonsense. That being said, I believe being on call in times of need, and dealing with the shitstains of humanity, are occupational hazards, usually compensated for via perks and benefits, especially in retirement. Crappy traffic laws and enforcement tactics knock the respect down several notches, and the good ones know it.

Svend > fintail 05/01/2018 at 04:36

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It’s not tolerated. It looks like it happens more than it does because people capture it on their mobiles and sometimes you may have ten+ cameras or mobiles capturing the same incident. Some of the foreign Princes are really douchie because they’ve never been told no before and do it again thinking they’ll get away with it. Some flit between the U.K. and the U.S. where they get away with a lot more than they do here.

If you are caught by a fixed speed camera you can contest it, say it wasn’t you (but if you do, you must say who it is or face a higher fine, you you say it wasn’t you but it was or then refuse to say who was driving it then becomes more serious charge of lying in court, perverting the course, etc...), quite often they are warnings if your just over to say, ‘watch your speedy’ or ‘this is your first warning as you were caught at such en such, on such en such, at such en such a time doing ... mph’, or you may get a referral for a speed awareness course, etc...

The CPS don’t create laws, they are a separate system that decide should that person go to prison, how serious was the offence considering it was their first time, etc... it sort of undermines the actions of the police officer with only about 30-50% going to court.

Police here are held to a high standard. Sure you get some bad apples but they don’t last long.

fintail > Svend 05/01/2018 at 10:00

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If it wasn’t tolerated, there would be more onerous (progressive) fines to the gallows-worthy blood money recipients spending endless holidays in London. One should expect a little idiocy with the corrupt gong show in Murka right now, but isn’t Blighty all about peace and justice and other fairytales? It appears that just like anywhere else, money and ill-gotten status makes one effectively golden. Those princes, who some may defend by using an odd excuse of “they’ve never been told before”, will get away with it again and again.

Isn’t justice already kind of perverted when courts are filled with relatively irrelevant speed offenses and pot charges, etc? Reminds me of American “contempt of court” charges - if one examines how courts operate, a thinking person can’t have anything but contempt. Speed awareness course LOL - there’s a make-work project for public sector slacker types if I’ve ever heard of on. . I’d like an awareness course in terms of being shown that a given limit is actually optimal and defendable - but when you work in a void of accountability and effectively can’t be fired, not going to happen. At what interval over the limit does the camera issue a citation? Are these cameras owned by the righteous ones, or does a well-connected private firm operate them for a cut of the proceeds? That’s an issue on this side of the pond, private profit from questionable law enforcement.

On this continent, the good ones never take the bad ones to task, it is like a bad fraternity, and breeds mistrust. I suppose the British have the best rep when it comes to individual policing (the old joke about heaven having British police, French chefs, German mechanics, etc). Sounds like the old island is the place to get away with a crime.

Orwell is either laughing or crying.

Svend > fintail 05/01/2018 at 10:17

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Our system isn’t perfect but accountability and paperwork is very high on the list of importance.

The cameras are operated by the local authorities and or by the police.

Typically I believe the camera is triggered by vehicles going 10% or five over the speed limit for that area.

I’ve never understood the Orwell thing. Sure there are cameras, but don’t do anything illegal, you’ve nothing to fear. It’s not like we aren’t being recorded almost everywhere anyway by people with camera phones, dash cams, etc...

fintail > Svend 05/01/2018 at 11:30

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I’ve never seen Blighty as being more accountable than the American gong show, or any of the doddering places on the continent. Although the current state of affairs may be a karmic price paid for the abuses of colonialism.

Cameras here are contracted out to operators by the relevant local authorities, and there have been many accusations of corruption - not to mention that the camera operator gets a cut. I wonder who’s brother in law benefits from similar there.

I can accept 10% on high limit sections, but 5 over? I’d love to see the accountability in those setting the limits. Can the haughty authorities be made to defend their numbers as optimal? Or do cultural issues prevent people from even questioning these cradle to grave nanny types?

The “nothing illegal, nothing to fear” line is disturbingly authoritarian, and is only valid if laws are just, optimal, and consistent. History has a very poor track record of that no matter the country.